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Post by Carrythxd on Jan 6, 2016 21:22:41 GMT -5
So, I was playing GTA Online in a public session sometime ago and I came across some person asking for a dev to add them on SC. So I got curious, and decided to check the player list in the session.. And what do you know, there was a level 8000 guy with a red name that said " ROCKSTAR DEV" on it.  After seeing this, I decided to drive to him and see what was going on: (And the army NPC guy though)  And after seeing him 'in person', I checked his SC profile and well, doesn't seem to share the same name:   So, I decided to post about it on Twitter in case somebody would know more about this, and well:  It looks like that with certain GTA Online trainers, you can actually become a "Rockstar Dev" in game. I'm not sure why you would want to become one, since the only thing that people are going to be telling you about is features that you should add and to give them money, like I noticed about the people in this session. _ _ _ _ _ One thing that I still don't understand is, why does it say that he is a part of the Bullshifters, though? Could it be another thing that comes with the "R* Dev" thing? That is shows you being in whatever crew the person looking at your name/crew tag is in?
Nevermind, I think he actually is a part of the Bullshifters, atleast it says so while looking at his Social Club profile: _ _ _ _ _ I just thought I'd post it here, since there still is a load of modders in GTA Online so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this become a regular thing to see while playing in public sessions  |
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Post by AzraelRPG on Jan 6, 2016 21:46:13 GMT -5
You send him a message about artificial level boosting and impersonating R* devs? I think this issue needs looked into.
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Post by Jamie_WCE on Jan 6, 2016 22:53:19 GMT -5
There is no way someone with a total play time of 6 days is lvl 8000. Also having won 1400 races and losing 1300 in 1hr 40 minutes.
I will message him about this because I don't want a person like this going around with a Bullshifters tag on.
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Post by Ed.Venture on Jan 6, 2016 23:05:33 GMT -5
Our rules only specifically cover griefing with trainers or altering other players accounts without their consent as a premise to be removed from the gang. This conduct here is something that will need to be looked at on an individual basis. I suspect we will be updating the rules to cover this. PurpleWidow was at one of our early meets, but I don't know him that well and he hasn't really stayed in touch. Looks like we are the only crew he is a member of.
I'll shoot him a message.
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Or Jamie will shoot him a message.
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Post by Jamie_WCE on Jan 6, 2016 23:09:02 GMT -5
Our rules only specifically cover griefing with trainers or altering other players accounts without their consent as a premise to be removed from the gang. This conduct here is something that will need to be looked at on an individual basis. I suspect we will be updating the rules to cover this. PurpleWidow was at one of our early meets, but I don't know him that well and he hasn't really stayed in touch. Looks like we are the only crew he is a member of. I'll shoot him a message. ::EDIT:: Or Jamie will shoot him a message. No, you can do it, if he knows you that might be better |
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Post by soilworker on Jan 7, 2016 0:21:15 GMT -5
Those messing around with trainers, I tend to not mind. If you are using them to be helpful, or using them just for yourself, I have no issue at all.
However, using those trainers to impersonate developers, give yourself a ridiculous amount of RP, giving yourself all platinum trophies, faking your stats, or negatively affecting fellow crew members, hell even just randoms online I have a big issue with. It reflects on your crew poorly.
If someone wants to be an ass in public sessions using mods, they should at least have the decency to take off that active crew tag.
However I am forgiving, and I think anyone who does the above should get at least one chance to change their ways.
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Post by Ed.Venture on Jan 7, 2016 9:15:18 GMT -5
If someone wants to be an ass in public sessions using mods, they should at least have the decency to take off that active crew tag. This is the heart of the issue. My personal feeling is "do what you want". I'm not here to be the morality police, especially in a video game where consequences are largely made up. All I've ever asked is that members have the presence of mind to not represent the crew as a whole if they intend to pull some shit in a public lobby. I mainly have hard feelings about griefing. Whether our BULL tag is active or not, I'd hope that we do not have that kind of membership. Anything that adversely affects another person's game is grounds to be kicked from the crew. It is currently written in the rules that if I receive a report from anyone not just crew but any random joe in the game that provides evidence that a member is griefing in the game while wearing our tag, it's instant grounds for removal from the crew. This situation it just looks like he bestowed himself with things he did not earn, but I don't see mention where he harmed anyone else either. So for us it's a bit of a gray area at the moment. That said, I do understand how it adversely affects membership. This type of blatant altering of stats while representing BULL gives the impression that this is the type of membership we have. "One rotten apple spoils the whole bunch", and all of that. We will update the rules to include this kind of conduct as a kickable offense. PurpleWidow- will get a strike against him. Next offense regardless of relation to this one will be a ban. Any member from this point forward that displays the same conduct as PurpleWidow- will not get the benefit of a strike. It will be a instaban. These are my thoughts. Jamie, if you would like to add or alter anything let me know. Once I hear from you I'll revise the rules officially. |
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Post by Ashy_GB on Jan 7, 2016 10:55:04 GMT -5
If someone wants to be an ass in public sessions using mods, they should at least have the decency to take off that active crew tag. This is the heart of the issue. My personal feeling is "do what you want". I'm not here to be the morality police, especially in a video game where consequences are largely made up. All I've ever asked is that members have the presence of mind to not represent the crew as a whole if they intend to pull some shit in a public lobby. I mainly have hard feelings about griefing. Whether our BULL tag is active or not, I'd hope that we do not have that kind of membership. Anything that adversely affects another person's game is grounds to be kicked from the crew. It is currently written in the rules that if I receive a report from anyone not just crew but any random joe in the game that provides evidence that a member is griefing in the game while wearing our tag, it's instant grounds for removal from the crew. This situation it just looks like he bestowed himself with things he did not earn, but I don't see mention where he harmed anyone else either. So for us it's a bit of a gray area at the moment. That said, I do understand how it adversely affects membership. This type of blatant altering of stats while representing BULL gives the impression that this is the type of membership we have. "One rotten apple spoils the whole bunch", and all of that. We will update the rules to include this kind of conduct as a kickable offense. PurpleWidow- will get a strike against him. Next offense regardless of relation to this one will be a ban. Any member from this point forward that displays the same conduct as PurpleWidow- will not get the benefit of a strike. It will be a instaban. These are my thoughts. Jamie, if you would like to add or alter anything let me know. Once I hear from you I'll revise the rules officially. The impression I am getting here is that this sort of blatant abuse around modding is a sore point for many of us. A lot of us here have used/do use trainers but not for griefing, personal gain or impersonating R* developers. This sort of grey area could easily be fixed (As those who have posted here including myself seem very uncomfortable with this level of mod use under the Bullshifter Tag) by saying 'Yes the use of trainers is acceptable TO a certain extent, blatant rank adjustments, stat editing, impersonating (Which I was not aware was even possible!) should be an absolute no, the GTA Online community is big and many of them talk on the GTA Forums and many of them have an absolute hate for obvious stat, RP or griefing modder's and many have no issue to name and shame individuals and crews who abuse trainers. I would suggest something is written up and this grey area cleared sooner rather than later. |
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Post by Ed.Venture on Jan 7, 2016 11:20:05 GMT -5
This is the heart of the issue. My personal feeling is "do what you want". I'm not here to be the morality police, especially in a video game where consequences are largely made up. All I've ever asked is that members have the presence of mind to not represent the crew as a whole if they intend to pull some shit in a public lobby. I mainly have hard feelings about griefing. Whether our BULL tag is active or not, I'd hope that we do not have that kind of membership. Anything that adversely affects another person's game is grounds to be kicked from the crew. It is currently written in the rules that if I receive a report from anyone not just crew but any random joe in the game that provides evidence that a member is griefing in the game while wearing our tag, it's instant grounds for removal from the crew. This situation it just looks like he bestowed himself with things he did not earn, but I don't see mention where he harmed anyone else either. So for us it's a bit of a gray area at the moment. That said, I do understand how it adversely affects membership. This type of blatant altering of stats while representing BULL gives the impression that this is the type of membership we have. "One rotten apple spoils the whole bunch", and all of that. We will update the rules to include this kind of conduct as a kickable offense. PurpleWidow- will get a strike against him. Next offense regardless of relation to this one will be a ban. Any member from this point forward that displays the same conduct as PurpleWidow- will not get the benefit of a strike. It will be a instaban. These are my thoughts. Jamie, if you would like to add or alter anything let me know. Once I hear from you I'll revise the rules officially. The impression I am getting here is that this sort of blatant abuse around modding is a sore point for many of us. A lot of us here have used/do use trainers but not for griefing, personal gain or impersonating R* developers. This sort of grey area could easily be fixed (As those who have posted here including myself seem very uncomfortable with this level of mod use under the Bullshifter Tag) by saying 'Yes the use of trainers is acceptable TO a certain extent, blatant rank adjustments, stat editing, impersonating (Which I was not aware was even possible!) should be an absolute no, the GTA Online community is big and many of them talk on the GTA Forums and many of them have an absolute hate for obvious stat, RP or griefing modder's and many have no issue to name and shame individuals and crews who abuse trainers. I would suggest something is written up and this grey area cleared sooner rather than later. This is (more than less) precisely what I am saying. What I am also saying is that we are unfortunately responding to this from a reactionary position. Since no rule is currently on our "books" that explicitly outlines this behavior, we find ourselves in a position where outright banning this member wouldn't be completely just, as he effectively would have broken a rule that we have yet to write. I wouldn't be too concerned about a deadline for fixing it going forward however. I fully expect to talk to Jamie before the day is out and the two of us will get it patched up within that same time frame. For now, I think the decree here that it will not be tolerated is sufficient for the hours between now and then. Again, going forward this type of blatant abuse will not be tolerated. However, I do think it's worth drawing a line between activity while representing the crew vs activity with the crew tag off. If I'm overruled on that point, then so be it. I just don't like the idea of stating what people can do as an absolute. From where I sit, so long as they are taking care not to pull us (the crew) into their illicit activity, then it's my position that their activity is not crew business. |
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Post by Ashy_GB on Jan 7, 2016 11:48:26 GMT -5
With that I completely agree. I have no issue what people do with the bullshifter tag off and no interest in that being controlled, to me - wearing your tag you are representing the crew in what you do and the last thing I would like to see is a crew such as this have its reputation of being a fun yet mature collection of players dragged through the dirt because of the actions of the odd individuals
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Post by soilworker on Jan 7, 2016 16:34:05 GMT -5
Well, it is a new year, could be a great time to go over the rules and add new ones/revise old ones if necessary. Perhaps even have a thread where rules could be suggested, then taken into consideration by staff.
But, with introducing new rules some people might not notice a rule change and could accidentally break a new rule, so some system would have to be in place so people would know that there are new rules.
For those active on the forums, a simple message sent to all registered members would suffice I would hope. For the crew members who aren't active on the forums... might be hard to inform them unless someone wants to send messages on social club to each member.
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Post by Ed.Venture on Jan 7, 2016 16:50:41 GMT -5
Well, it is a new year, could be a great time to go over the rules and add new ones/revise old ones if necessary. Perhaps even have a thread where rules could be suggested, then taken into consideration by staff. But, with introducing new rules some people might not notice a rule change and could accidentally break a new rule, so some system would have to be in place so people would know that there are new rules. For those active on the forums, a simple message sent to all registered members would suffice I would hope. For the crew members who aren't active on the forums... might be hard to inform them unless someone wants to send messages on social club to each member. My opinion is either you are keeping up, or you aren't. If you are not, then that's kind of on you. If I update the announcement thread, stickie the new rule in all areas of the forum, and then go on Social Club to announce that I've done this and provide a link for members to follow... That's a decent amount of footwork right there. Anyone that keeps themselves invested in what is going on had ought to notice that. If they don't then I take that as a sign that they are not a fan of learning and knowing what is expected of them anyway. I'll just send them a link to the rule and then send them on their way if they have broken it. No need to make it more complicated than it is. I think most of our rules still hold up pretty well. There is one in there that has a blurb about being able to use a pistol to turn the lights on when you park your car. That was pre-lowrider DLC. That aside I think we really only need to write in a bit about this issue in particular. If anyone has any suggestions for additional rules, feel free to make a topic in gen chat. If you think there is anything that's been overlooked I'd be happy to have it brought to light. ::EDIT:: I read back over this and realized it sounds a little harsher than how I actually mean it. Most of our rules net the offender a warning. I don't just boot people at the first sign of trouble. That said, this particular issue I think needs to be a kick for a first time offense. Of course sometimes special considerations are made depending on who we are talking about and their track record with the crew, etc and so fourth. Last, I generalize a lot when I speak, so if I say "you need to keep up!" that's not necessarily aimed at who I'm talking to. I'm just working out my train of thought. Sorry fellas. |
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Post by AzraelRPG on Jan 7, 2016 17:35:05 GMT -5
Ed.Venture, I didn't think you came off harsh at all, it all seemed fairly straightforward and more matter-of-fact. Besides that, I agree with you on multiple points here about people "keeping up" about both being informed about what is going on, and following the rules of the crew.
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Post by Jamie_WCE on Jan 8, 2016 3:16:59 GMT -5
I had so many paragraphs written up in reply to this topic but I just deleted them all because I know it wasn't needed, just like mods in online. That's my view, they should be kept in single player and no where else. You don't need them to have fun in online and they ruin the game for everyone else that wants to play the game properly. I see nothing good about any amount of mod use in online, you're going to get banned then how much fun are you gonna have in online?? and that's if you don't bring other innocent people down around you in the process.
That is all, I'll leave mod related rules to Ed since every experience I've had with them has been negative and maybe that's all I can see now.
PS (I should also say sorry if my mood is showing in other areas, I try my best to compress it for you guys cause I love everything about this and I'm so glad to be where I am. Just as many of you know life is tough, and has it's ways of screwing with your mind taking your ability to think straight. But enough of that, just know I'm sorry.)
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Post by Ashy_GB on Jan 8, 2016 3:48:35 GMT -5
I had so many paragraphs written up in reply to this topic but I just deleted them all because I know it wasn't needed, just like mods in online. That's my view, they should be kept in single player and no where else. You don't need them to have fun in online and they ruin the game for everyone else that wants to play the game properly. I see nothing good about any amount of mod use in online, you're going to get banned then how much fun are you gonna have in online?? and that's if you don't bring other innocent people down around you in the process. That is all, I'll leave mod related rules to Ed since every experience I've had with them has been negative and maybe that's all I can see now. PS (I should also say sorry if my mood is showing in other areas, I try my best to compress it for you guys cause I love everything about this and I'm so glad to be where I am. Just as many of you know life is tough, and has it's ways of screwing with your mind taking your ability to think straight. But enough of that, just know I'm sorry.) Although I have used mods (Mainly to stop being blown up or kicked from my own car every 5mins) I completely agree, there was a short calm around new year after Rockstar's latest ban wave. The online aspect has been completely ruined by modders. Last night for example it took 45 minutes of session switching to find a session which did not have a grief modder, in one server I thought was calm I have around 20 wind turbines spawn in front of me, basically redirecting my car to paradise..
I can understand your experience around mod use online has been pretty crap and of course that is going to give you nothing but negative views around such topics due to past experience.
No need to apologise either, we all know the real Jamie and he's not an arse
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